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Things were never crystal-clean, though. He had a little habit of being highly aggressive for no reason, which affected me on a personal level. A big reason for his bans was people simply using Discord pings, a normal, intended feature of the social platform. Following are only 2 of many, many examples of him being unreasonably aggressive towards members.

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We already had a few fallouts for this type of behavior, but he simply never changed. The first one was on the funny day - March 13th, 2022. That DM is a... 'little bit' personal, so I will not be posting any of it here, but the gist of it is me being worried that this behavior would eventually backfire on him. Foreshadowing.

The Copper incident was no different.

Copper is perhaps the greatest girl from my dream world, let alone reality. Without her, I would be nowhere in life. It is all thanks to her that I'm in a job, learning to drive (after my parents hadn't even considered putting me in a driving school) and dealing with everything else.
2022 was the year when I would meet this incredibly supportive and caring person. This one screenshot of her own rambling after the fact is a good summary.

From the 'Copper / Dream World Lore' DM group. There's also the Copper document and the lore wiki page for those curious.

The soulless Chris, of course, had different ideas about her.

That was ban number one. Not green text, as it is widely known - he even boasts about how he's such a great person for preventing fun in his community.

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Chris was correct. It wasn't personal - he was simply getting rid of all ironic, joke statements on his server. This absolutely did not sit right with either me or Copper.

I gave her an unban, and she eventually rejoined:

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Right at that day, this went down in the DM.

His own two stories regarding Copper - one being that she was my alt, and the other that she was a ChatGPT bot - already contradict each other.

Let's just say, I did not appreciate one bit how Chris was treating Copper, who had been a great source of joy and care up to that point. This was going on right after a similar incident with Deko, too. School was going on as well. This amazing combination of 2 different dramas directly attacking my quite literally close friend back to back, alongside daily 8 hours of brainrot resulted in a not exactly great state of mood for both of us.

On top of that, not even one hour later, in the dev chat...

It was my time for us to leave this shitfest of a Discord server behind, in order to ensure our mental stability.

A few days later, Chris came up with this message that reached me via TheGreatestRoman.

'your actions have consequences'... I wonder where that came up last... :tro:

Eventually... we settled on removing that 'no pay' negative.

Notice the profile picture - how it doesn't resemble ChrisRLillo at all. It kind of smells more like... TheGreatestRoman.

I was purely working on B3313 for money now. I wasn't even being paid by the one who was causing the pain, but it was good enough for me to sit down and do more TrollEngine-ing for about 4 more months. This time period added up to a grand total of $466 received out of TheGreatestRoman's account. You can see the effects of the new work relationship in the git log.

These are just the 2 times when the change suggested was stupid enough to warrant a straight up note in the commit message.

Chris was the boss, and he did not take even a bit of feedback. No, instead, he would continue berating what was left of the team.

...yeah.

Then, we had a little situation with a certain owl sound effect.

A fucking owl sound effect of all things ended the B3313 development. Because Christopher "Brutal Agresion" Rios Lillo could not wait for me to not be dealing with:

• The physical sickness, which you can read about on the screenshot.
• My mental health was also not exactly great due to the following reasons:
  • Waves of loneliness, mainly caused by exposure to horrible people (I was going to school at the time). Funnily enough, a garbage community has a greater effect than none at all.
  • Doubts about my future (end of school was coming up; how the fuck will I find a job with basically none of my social circle being in the industry).
  • On top of that, the constant annoyances of the dogs barking at literal air moving, as well as flies.
  • THEN I was trying to "study" for the "software development" finals at the time. The sheer stupidity of the material (completely disconnected from reality, source: I professionally work in the industry now). I knew I had to recite it exactly as it was written down, then completely forget about it.

Everything was stacked against me. Everything. Of course, you know what Chris is like at this point, and he asked me to shift the ROM for him so that he could release the 'current state'.

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There it was. All because I physically and mentally could not get to figuring out importing a sound effect.

Rom: I tried telling him though, but he's not listening
Rom: whatever, he'll get the complains about how shit the entire thing is
Benedani: yea
Benedani: then he'll blame it on us
Benedani: :tro:
Rom: we'll make 1.1 in the summer
Rom: the two of us
Benedani: what the shit

Eventually, with the 6th of June marking the end of my studies, I had to go ahead and get a job. While waiting for responses, might as well start creating this Unabandoned thingy - a temporary DM group was formed, and our goals were laid out.

Our DM group consisted of 8 people. That soon grew to >20 members in a developers only Discord server. I will not list every single member due to harassment concerns, but those who consented / are otherwise known to be associated include:

• Benedani
• TheGreatestRoman
• JoshTheBosh
• Hornet
• Pengu
• iProgramInCPP
• Halo
• Phil564
• Zanyzfight

On the 12th, Chris had the epic idea to attempt to gaslight members of our team into joining his side once again. He sent out a few DMs to various people he suspected to be involved. I got this one:

Before I could even respond (he said this at 2 AM), he created an announcement in his server about the team being restored.

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Roman, on the other hand, was awake when all of this was going on. This is their DM (times are shifted by 1 hour due to timezones).

His messages and his announcement were complete, fabricated lies. Here is how my DM with him continues.

We tried so hard to find even a single person who accepted to work under him again.

Literally not a single person wanted to continue operating under him. It was a massive gaslighting operation.

After... whatever that was, things were going pretty smoothly. Development happened pretty much internally. Not everybody was contributing equally; there certainly were a few who just observed. Our development was split between Unabandoned (the binary hack) and 'B3313 2.0' (a new decomp hack), each with a separate list of developers who were willing to work on. We had fun VC sessions as well - overall, it was a much healthier dev team experience.

The next funny would happen on July 28 - our 'raid' that they speak of so much. I shall now debunk, as much as necessary:

1. Us supposedly directing a Discord raid (+ ban evasion using a fake alter) on The Cult.

1. JoshTheBosh was not banned, and so he joined the server to confront ChrisRLillo. Chris went into hiding right away, afraid of the literal child.
2. Josh then sends the invite link for us to join. A lot of us had been banned prior, but we had a staff member in a high position to unban us.

   Our hack was close to a finished state, so it was a nice opportunity to announce the upcoming release of Unabandoned. We additionally took the opportunity to attempt to spread awareness about how we had been treated under Chris' rule. It was a tad miscoordinated, with about 4 of us replying at once to the same question from the members...

   That is what they refer to as 'The Raid'. Now, let's go take a look at Discord's definition of a raid...

   

   Unfortunately, everything that went down during 'round 1' has been deleted thanks to Discord's default ban settings. I did not take any screenshots as I was busy announcing the upcoming release.

3. Round 2, a few hours have passed. We got unbanned once again, but this time, staff members had their rights to commit Discord moderator (having no arguments against the piles of evidence), revoked, so we were undisturbed for some time.
   This time, we literally just joined into the server. There was a lot of 'civilized' discussion.

   We got a few more people on board, including Copper and Deko. Copper because she missed the last chance, and Deko had some... strange plans that he didn't manage to get into effect.

   Note that The Cult claims that Copper was used in this instance for ban evasion. I was active before AND after Copper's activity period, so this statement of theirs is directly contradicted by chat logs located on the same server.

   
   Message link if you are in The Cult, so you can follow along
   The about page has transformed since then to target those who actually want to get to know me, rather than specifically my established community; here is an Internet Archive link to the very real lore from the first screenshot.

   Aside from your usual trolling, we were completely peaceful, and this time around, avoided the 4 people replying to the same question issue.

   

   

   Then Chris was brought up once again. All of us had our own horror stories to tell.

   

   We would then talk about B3313 again, as well as start hinting towards the 'B3313 2.0' Decomp project.

   

   Things were going well. Then, Natalie, a known troll showed up.

   

   The discussion peacefully continues for a while. The next noteworthy thing is Curly, also a known troll showing up, and more back-and-forth trolling ensued.

   

   This drags on for a long, long time. Shortly after, the return of Natalie, with another 'bitch' drop from Roman.

   

   Finally, as we would learn, the one who unbanned us wasn't actually the server owner. The actual one shows up, peacefully joining the conversation with us.

   

   Even the highlights aren't that exciting. This is it. This is precisely what went down in The Cult on that day. There was no server raid. There were a few things said by one or two people with us, but it wasn't a coordinated effort to spam the server up, harass the members or anything like that.

   Regardless, the moral implications of us getting each other unbanned and joining the server twice are rather questionable. It was already clear at that point that The Cult was a server dedicated mainly to talking trash about a certain group of people, while also containing Chris' content creation efforts.

   JoshTheBosh was absolutely childish for responding to fire with fire. As he described in the Unabandoned dev chat, his prior experience... wasn't exactly pleasant.

   

   Psychologically, it is understandable that he would choose fire as opposed to peaceful methods. When your life is on the line, there is no talking it out - it is fight or flight. I hope that in the future, Josh refrains from confronting his internet enemies - there is absolutely no point given that, on the internet, people are a bunch of text and images on a screen, and garbage people can simply just be avoided in general. Unless they proceed to go ahead and spread harmful personal misinformation, the next one this very screenshot hints at...

   As for us - the server was a target for our promotion as it was still the 'official' B3313 discord. People were highly disappointed by the Abandoned release, and the idea of Unabandoned sparked quite a bit of discussion...

   ...that is, until Chris got back into power on the Discord server, and his influence shut it all up, bringing the community into Unabandoned hate mode.

   
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   The name of the server - 'The Cult' - really describes what it was like. From that point on, it's like people suddenly just forgot our mission, that we were bringing their beloved hack up from the development hell that had been plaguing it for the past 2 years.

...

The night right before the 1st of August. The game was in a state we considered to be pretty playable. So... what did the team decide to do?

Rush release.

The events of the very epic 'raid' were still bright in people's heads. In fact, riiiiight before our release, two different statements came out from wasteofblood and Chris, respectively.

Link to the community post

Yet, they pressed on. I made an attempt to seek out Chris' side on the matter, to hopefully, possibly make peace...

Notice how he completely ghosted me. For a bit. Things were about to go down. Then, after almost 2 long hours, all I got for a response was...

...and a nice block to go along with it.

Then, it happened.

(Privacy-conscious reupload of this YouTube video)

And that eventually led to this amazing screenshot.

This has cleared every single doubt in my mind about the side I was on.

Then the funnies just continued... literally the next day, August 2, Chris was now suddenly 'apologizing'. The context? Chris' location being exposed on Facebook.

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In case you haven't yet, take a closer look and notice the discrepancy between Chris' statement, and the very screenshot he posted to back it up. Roman sent those messages for nothing but good intent - if he was truly comically evil as The Cult claims, he could have easily dropped the information on a forum instead of notifying Chris about it. Stuff like this is why the average IQ of The Cult drops on a daily basis as people realize what's going on and trickle out.

Now for the apologizing, which happened quite literally 2 hours after sending that into The Cult (Roman's screenshots, note the 1 hour shift in time due to timezones).

He sent this, to one of the people he's wronged. Of course, that was nowhere near enough for any of us.

Literally the next day... another attempt. He actually tried to fool us for this one; it seemed more 'sincere'.

However, Copper saw right through that as well.

This is most definitely one of the Copper communications of all time. Brain goes brrrr on decoding the situation, and the typing part gets like 5% power :trol:

It was still sent to one person. Chris still did not owe up to his assholery record, which, if anything, was growing. And so, that one was declined as well. Chris returns to The Cult, speaking about his amazing 'efford' to reunite with us.

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I've just entirely debunked the claim:

2. Chris claiming to have apologized for 'everything' that went down between us.

I mentioned in the previous chapter how the release of Unabandoned was, partially at least, impulsive. Not as much as Abandoned at least - there was at least some testing effort. It wasn't a shifted devrom.

However, there were issues in the released version such as:

• A few unintentional, duplicate or incorrect star IDs.
• A few unintentional crashes that were also present in Abandoned, and were difficult to fix.
• A few bugs, such as backflip unlocking at 10 red stars (instead of the intended 3), collision issues, stars going out of bounds from level scaling.
• Water camera not rotating at all, period. I did this one, but I'm not sure where it came from - in the beta, the camera did rotate, just slowly.

Thus, we came up with a hotfix, also known as 'a1', which:

• Fixed the aforementioned issues.
• Tweaked Cavin's part of the codebase.
• Captain Fly Guy was previously replaced with a swarm of fly guys as we did not have the source code. However, Cavin was generous enough to provide us the source code of his fixed version.

  The end result was a mix of both - defeat the small fly guys to fight a less obnoxious version of the boss.

• Cavin's DS-style toxic gas (used in the Goomboss level) was fixed to prevent damage to Metal Mario.
• Re-enabled toxic gas in Cave Dungeon, making the level even more painful. :trol:
• Re-enabled post credits Act 1 mode; the credits, which originally triggered Act 1 to ensure objects in the shown levels loaded as intended, no longer rolled, as the Grand Star was a warp now.

There was also an effort to respect at least wasteofblood's wishes in getting his soundtrack out of the game, it was simple enough. Until... you consider the end result.

The thing is, it actually sounded not bad during production. Here's the original .wav file, sourced right from this message in The Beehive.

It seems that nobody has even opened up that area after importing the soundtrack, because it was released as-is, without even at least fixing the loop. This has prompted the community, specifically Emax64 and Thunder, to create the 'WasteOfBlood Music Patch', porting the original themes to the newer ROM. Seeing that WoB's DMCA threats were empty, this eventually became the officially recommended version to play.

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Things have quieted down significantly after our release.

• The Cult went into so much denial as to claim that our work on B3313 was insignificant.

  
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  In fact, Chris even claims to having made the engine that makes B3313 even work...

  
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  ...despite himself demonstrating a lack of fundamental understanding of his supposed own video game.

  
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  It is known that white coins call a random function in the game. There is video footage of various things white coins are able to do.

  
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  There is not a single thing 'AI' about RNG warps. There is a 0x3313 in 0xFFFF chance for warps to use another bparam (bparam4, instead of 2) for the warp ID instead. The chance is flipped around if the player lost their cap (mainly due to the Yellow Switch, but can also happen in a YS-less save file using Klepto or Ukiki).
  The Luigi door from Motos Factory was done using bparams as well, and is unused in B3313. There is a random chance depending on your star counts that it can happen without, thus getting 'Luigi'd' in the final game. This was added by me as part of the gradual destabilization of the game, among the other effects.

  Some of you might remember a hotfix to Motos Factory, that fixed a bunch of issues. It also introduced a little funny that happens if you save state :tro:

  Despite Chris' otherwise insistence that players play the game as intended, as well as being explicitly shown that this is in the game during development, this 'anticheat' was seen as a bug after release, and he pulled the hotfix for this one 'issue' alone.

  And finally, if Chris was the programmer on the team, then I wonder why he would say something like this about me...

  
  

  Thus, 3. Chris claiming to have made the engine that makes B3313 even work stands debunked with the overwhelming counter-proof.

• For a while, the drama was a major talking point, and the #drama-debunkma channel of The Beehive was live for anybody interested. As time went on, the drama faded into obscurity - now, since the 6th of October, there is a soft-ban on discussing The Cult on our server.

  
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• There were the various drama documents. Each and every single one of them failed to bring to light what actually happened, unlike this one.
• 'Document B', led by Deko.
• Cavin856’s Statement and Investigation regarding B3313
• April's Statement on B3313
• Shoutouts to the meme documents.
• The Cult received its fair share of trolls. I will not apologize on behalf of them as I have not sent, or been involved in the actions of a single one of them, except for the following exceptions. All I can say is - there would have been a much larger volume of them had we actually incited stuff.
• daniT22 and the Copper Sex Chamber incident.
  Debunking 4. Us adding a 'Copper sex chamber' to our version of the game. and 5. Me supposedly attempting to hack into Chris' music distributors.

  The origins of the 'Copper Sex Chamber' is a meme comment I randomly made on the Unabandoned hotfix release trailer.

  

  
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  The meme of the secret hidden room was now part of the community. Eventually, Kyle had the idea to do a bit of Texture64-ing.

  
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  https://www.bitview.net/watch?v=natA4qFw. This would later be featured in the programmer's copper statement.

  I have been given this texture swap, allowing me to take screenshots as well. To my knowledge, nobody else has had access to the ROM.

  In the end, daniT22, with access to The Cult, had the idea to plant a screenshot from me and spread the news.

  
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  Notice how Chris immediately hopped on, pretending like he knows very well about the texture swap.

  
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  This is just one example of him pretending like he's a developer who knows his shit, has 'unshifted the ROM' and has looked into it. A simple unshift of the Unabandoned ROM and opening it in Quad64 reveals the evidence that he has clearly not done so. Here is one of the ROMs, but this is true for all of our patches:

  
  In order to unshift the ROM, search for the string 'YAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA' and erase it. This creates an unplayable, but openable ROM.

  The troll was certainly successful, as they STILL discuss this every time I am brought up (this is from November 27).

  
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  Meanwhile, on our side of the tomfoolery:

  
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  Don't just take my word for the screenshot being mine; let's do a bit of forensics to prove this statement. This is the screenshot he posted in the server.

  

  Notice:

  1. the filename, which follows the default format for Spectacle, the KDE Plasma screenshotting tool. I am one of the few in the community who use Linux, and specifically the KDE Plasma desktop. Screenshots on Windows, the most common desktop platform are called 'image.png' if you directly paste, and a slightly different format if you save:

     

  2. the size of the screenshot. 1374 pixels tall, revealing that this screenshot was taken with the game being displayed on a 2560x1440 or higher display, also uncommon in the community. This additionally (nearly) invalidates Android being a possible platform - 1440p displays are very, VERY uncommon on handheld decides.
  3. the graphics plugin being used, which you can tell by taking a close look. The visibility of intricacies of the N64's way of rendering things reveals that this is a LLE (low-level emulation) screenshot. I wonder who's one of the few big advocates for accurate emulation? :tro:

  In summary - the Copper Sex Chamber was a funny hoax. We did not add that painting to the game. 4. Us adding a 'Copper sex chamber' to our version of the game. - debunked.

  Speaking of the Copper Sex Chamber... let's get to 5. Me supposedly attempting to hack into Chris' music distributors.

  This is related to Kyle's video, which originally featured Recuerdo Insano by Christopher Rios Lillo. I was clueless before the upload to YouTube was complete.

  
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  I am honestly not sure what I was celebrating there. In the end, he took the video down and applied a copyright strike to my channel.

  
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  Knowing YouTube's copyright system leaving the case entirely up to the copyright owner, I directly contacted the licensor of the song for concerns of Chris' copyright takedowns potentially becoming a repeat offense, reaching out to other forms of fair use. I didn't hear back from them.

  Now, I have no fucking idea what the fuck Chris was babbling about here.

  
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  Of course there is no source, not even a heavily twisted screenshot. It is up to the accuser to bring the evidence - let's see it.

  As for the aftermath of using Chris' music - a copyright strike, with no real consequences, which will expire in 90 days after the upload - January 9, 2024. The video has simply been reuploaded with a different track, and Chris can cry about it all he wants.

• My actual alt accounts. 'the', the purpose of which was to try to get their so-called evidence (with no success), and the blatant one, intended to make the follow positive comment on his music, which YouTube was somehow 1984-ing.

  
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Of course, this is not consistent with their definition of a 'Benedani alt', which is 'anybody who disapproves of The Cult's statements', or put more simply, 'anybody with a brain'.